Comments on: The Layman’s Groin Triangle http://zerotoboston.com/2009/04/22/the-laymans-groin-triangle/ My Quest to run the Boston Marathon and observations made of the running sub-culture along the way. Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:14:40 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Worrierking http://zerotoboston.com/2009/04/22/the-laymans-groin-triangle/comment-page-1/#comment-36619 Worrierking Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:02:15 +0000 http://zerotoboston.com/?p=434#comment-36619 Dean, I missed a year after a groin injury, so I can sympathize. It is a very complex region and very few doctors are willing to spend the time to actually figure out what is wrong. It's much easier to tell you to rest for 3-4 weeks and give you a scrip for anti-inflammatories than to actually solve the problem. My issues started with a torn rectus abdominus, about three inches above the "nether-reaches." It was a non-running injury that occurred when I lifted up my nephew. Of course, I kept running, which made it worse and caused other problems, including an anterior L3-L4 disk bulge and a sacroiliac issue. After clearing all that up with the help of a very attentive PT, I pulled the RA again lifting weights. Every doctor thought my pain had to be some kind of a hernia, or possibly a sports hernia, because it kept coming back. Eventually a month or so after the second RA tear, the pain changed and it was clear I had the disk bulge again. The pain was in the same place as the muscle pull, but it was nerve pain, not muscle pain. Once again, PT helped, once we were attacking the right problem. It was 53 weeks from my last run in '08 until my first in '09. I'm back up to 40 mpw and hoping to run Houston in January. Good luck. Dean, I missed a year after a groin injury, so I can sympathize. It is a very complex region and very few doctors are willing to spend the time to actually figure out what is wrong. It’s much easier to tell you to rest for 3-4 weeks and give you a scrip for anti-inflammatories than to actually solve the problem.

My issues started with a torn rectus abdominus, about three inches above the “nether-reaches.” It was a non-running injury that occurred when I lifted up my nephew. Of course, I kept running, which made it worse and caused other problems, including an anterior L3-L4 disk bulge and a sacroiliac issue. After clearing all that up with the help of a very attentive PT, I pulled the RA again lifting weights. Every doctor thought my pain had to be some kind of a hernia, or possibly a sports hernia, because it kept coming back. Eventually a month or so after the second RA tear, the pain changed and it was clear I had the disk bulge again. The pain was in the same place as the muscle pull, but it was nerve pain, not muscle pain. Once again, PT helped, once we were attacking the right problem. It was 53 weeks from my last run in ‘08 until my first in ‘09. I’m back up to 40 mpw and hoping to run Houston in January. Good luck.

]]> By: dean.schuster http://zerotoboston.com/2009/04/22/the-laymans-groin-triangle/comment-page-1/#comment-36188 dean.schuster Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:07:02 +0000 http://zerotoboston.com/?p=434#comment-36188 Mikaela, Thanks for the comment. I LOVE that I pushed your buttons. I welcome your comment with open arms and appreciate it greatly (seriously). I wish more folks who found my work not to their liking would say so. The dialogue is fun. So, please keep reading. You may find much more that offends, especially my contention that <a href="http://zerotoboston.com/2006/11/22/all-runners-are-liars/" rel="nofollow">all runners are liars</a>, <a href="http://zerotoboston.com/2006/11/15/songs-to-not-run-by/" rel="nofollow">disparaging remarks about Phil Collins</a>, <a href="http://zerotoboston.com/race-reports/2008-myrtle-beach-marathon/" rel="nofollow">mean rumblings</a> about several marathons, <a href="http://zerotoboston.com/2007/03/02/the-massacre-of-wounded-knee/" rel="nofollow">grisly fascination</a> with bloody knees and certainly plenty more about the <a href="http://zerotoboston.com/2008/10/06/maddening-tale-of-the-adductor-longus/" rel="nofollow">human groin</a>. Heaven help me if you find out <a href="http://zerotoboston.com/2008/04/11/the-race/" rel="nofollow">what I said about Hillary and Obama</a>. Spoiler alert: I am in the process of writing about the Detroit deaths (respectfully, I assure you). But still, you may want to skip that one. If your sympathy for my injury matches the intensity of your critique, I owe you a debt of gratitude. - Dean Mikaela,

Thanks for the comment. I LOVE that I pushed your buttons.

I welcome your comment with open arms and appreciate it greatly (seriously). I wish more folks who found my work not to their liking would say so. The dialogue is fun.

So, please keep reading. You may find much more that offends, especially my contention that all runners are liars, disparaging remarks about Phil Collins, mean rumblings about several marathons, grisly fascination with bloody knees and certainly plenty more about the human groin. Heaven help me if you find out what I said about Hillary and Obama.

Spoiler alert: I am in the process of writing about the Detroit deaths (respectfully, I assure you). But still, you may want to skip that one.

If your sympathy for my injury matches the intensity of your critique, I owe you a debt of gratitude.

- Dean

]]> By: Mikaela Colner http://zerotoboston.com/2009/04/22/the-laymans-groin-triangle/comment-page-1/#comment-36173 Mikaela Colner Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:09:14 +0000 http://zerotoboston.com/?p=434#comment-36173 First of all, I'm sorry to hear about your injury. Second, I'm sorry to hear you're such an arrogant jerk. These journals are written in professional language and are SUPPOSED to be very technical. It's a conversation among professionals, you twit. I'm sorry you're level of education has not provided you the ability to recognize complex sentence structures. Pity. First of all, I’m sorry to hear about your injury. Second, I’m sorry to hear you’re such an arrogant jerk. These journals are written in professional language and are SUPPOSED to be very technical. It’s a conversation among professionals, you twit. I’m sorry you’re level of education has not provided you the ability to recognize complex sentence structures. Pity.

]]> By: Craig http://zerotoboston.com/2009/04/22/the-laymans-groin-triangle/comment-page-1/#comment-32033 Craig Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:03:34 +0000 http://zerotoboston.com/?p=434#comment-32033 Yes, Kegels are surely the answer. Just don't tell anyone you're doing them. Especially on the trails. Yes, Kegels are surely the answer. Just don’t tell anyone you’re doing them. Especially on the trails.

]]> By: Steve http://zerotoboston.com/2009/04/22/the-laymans-groin-triangle/comment-page-1/#comment-32023 Steve Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:14:48 +0000 http://zerotoboston.com/?p=434#comment-32023 I have had the same, well maybe, the same problem. It takes a long time to recover and it recurs. What was hard for me was around mile 23 I would start coughing and it would cause the pain. I went to a physical therapist for it one time. The suggestion was to do pelvic strengthening exercises. No kidding. I got better over time. I have had the same, well maybe, the same problem. It takes a long time to recover and it recurs. What was hard for me was around mile 23 I would start coughing and it would cause the pain. I went to a physical therapist for it one time. The suggestion was to do pelvic strengthening exercises. No kidding. I got better over time.

]]> By: dean.schuster http://zerotoboston.com/2009/04/22/the-laymans-groin-triangle/comment-page-1/#comment-31848 dean.schuster Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:21:15 +0000 http://zerotoboston.com/?p=434#comment-31848 I will agree that "presents" is the only possible verb in sentence four. If this indeed is the case, the author should sue his or her forth grade language arts teacher for negligence. - Dean I will agree that “presents” is the only possible verb in sentence four. If this indeed is the case, the author should sue his or her forth grade language arts teacher for negligence.

- Dean

]]> By: jim http://zerotoboston.com/2009/04/22/the-laymans-groin-triangle/comment-page-1/#comment-31845 jim Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:49:03 +0000 http://zerotoboston.com/?p=434#comment-31845 Dean, The verb in the fourth sentence is "presents." I'm not sure why this escapes you. The only conclusion I can come to is that you went to Duke. ... North Carolina reader Dean, The verb in the fourth sentence is “presents.” I’m not sure why this escapes you. The only conclusion I can come to is that you went to Duke. … North Carolina reader

]]> By: Valerie Goodwill Thieme http://zerotoboston.com/2009/04/22/the-laymans-groin-triangle/comment-page-1/#comment-31836 Valerie Goodwill Thieme Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:44:19 +0000 http://zerotoboston.com/?p=434#comment-31836 Sorry you're sidelined. However, perhaps you have found a new calling in translating these medical journals into everyday language. :-) Sorry you’re sidelined. However, perhaps you have found a new calling in translating these medical journals into everyday language. :-)

]]> By: Marlene http://zerotoboston.com/2009/04/22/the-laymans-groin-triangle/comment-page-1/#comment-31818 Marlene Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:40:08 +0000 http://zerotoboston.com/?p=434#comment-31818 Wow, I would never have the patience for that. I can't believe you're still out. :( Hope you find some answers/solutions SOON! Wow, I would never have the patience for that.

I can’t believe you’re still out. :( Hope you find some answers/solutions SOON!

]]> By: Mel http://zerotoboston.com/2009/04/22/the-laymans-groin-triangle/comment-page-1/#comment-31815 Mel Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:43:44 +0000 http://zerotoboston.com/?p=434#comment-31815 ugh! I wish i had your version of the write up when I was going through what I thought was groin, then hip flexor, then adductor, turned out to be that stupid illiopsoas muscle that was aggravated. I was getting ART sessions, and he was digging into that muscle pretty good, going all the way up into my belly. Seemed weird at the time (and yes, it's a dr/chiro I trusted) and he got me fixed up and running within a month! Sucks that it's lingering so long :( ugh! I wish i had your version of the write up when I was going through what I thought was groin, then hip flexor, then adductor, turned out to be that stupid illiopsoas muscle that was aggravated. I was getting ART sessions, and he was digging into that muscle pretty good, going all the way up into my belly. Seemed weird at the time (and yes, it’s a dr/chiro I trusted) and he got me fixed up and running within a month! Sucks that it’s lingering so long :(

]]> By: Angie http://zerotoboston.com/2009/04/22/the-laymans-groin-triangle/comment-page-1/#comment-31814 Angie Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:38:14 +0000 http://zerotoboston.com/?p=434#comment-31814 Awesome, I love the rewrite! They should hire you as their interpretor. Awesome, I love the rewrite! They should hire you as their interpretor.

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